Paul Feig & John Francis Daley Talk Filmmaking and Remember “Freaks & Geeks”

Originally Published on 1/5/2015

30 under 30 List – Forbes Magazine


For this year’s 30 Under 30 we asked one of the Hollywood list’s judges, Paul Feig, to interview 2015 honoree John Francis Daley. Director-actor-writer Feig and Daley’s relationship dates back more than 15 years to Freaks and Geeks, the cult classic created by Feig and starring a then-13-year-old Daley. Daley played Sam Weir, a freshman geek whose older sister, played by Linda Cardelinni, starts hanging out with the school’s “freaks.” The show was lauded by critics, but Feig and executive producer Judd Apatow spent much of their time battling NBC executives who just didn’t get it. The show was canceled after one season. 

Freaks and Geeks could have faded into oblivion, except that pretty much every person involved in the show went on to become a megastar. Seth Rogen, Jason Segel, and James Franco all got their start on Freaks, and Apatow is now one of the most influential producers in Hollywood. The show found a second life on Netflix as an origin story for entertainment’s biggest stars. 

Now 29, Daley has been busy. He spent seven years co-starring on the Fox series Bones, and co-wrote hit movies Horrible Bosses and The Incredible Burt Wonderstone. Now he’s co-writing and co-directing a reboot of National Lampoon’s Vacation – a franchise that started two years before Daley was born. 

Feig’s career is on hot stretch, too. He directed two of the highest-grossing comedies of the last five years, Bridesmaids ($288 million worldwide) and The Heat ($230 million worldwide). He’s teaming up with star Melissa McCarthy again for Spy, an action comedy he wrote, directed and produced, due later this year. And the Internet nearly exploded when he confirmed that he’s also making an all-female Ghostbusters.

In December, Feig and Daley took some time to catch up for an exclusive FORBES conversation, condensed for space and clarity. 

Paul Feig: I remember when I first met you you were 13, and you were probably the person I hung out with the least or connected with the least just because you were so young.

John Francis Daley: A hyperactive, precocious young child.

Feig: No, you were great. You were definitely not precocious, you were really talented. But you stuck with your dad. My favorite thing in the world was watching you go up to Linda and you guys would do these little improv games where you would just talk to each as brother and sister and complain about things.

Daley: They were games to me, and I think to her it was just annoying.

Feig: You guys got so into it. That’s what made me laugh, because you really talked like brother and sister. And it was so naturalistic that I would listen in for getting ideas for the show, and just marveling at how real you guys sounded. It was very impressive.

Daley: She was very patient with me.

Feig: The funny thing about our show was that so many people, especially the guys, went on to have these writing/directing careers, and now yourself included. What do you think, was there an influence being around the show? I’m not looking for, “Oh yeah, we were so cool.” I’m just curious about how you guys all got drawn into it, just kind of being around the train set when it’s up and running and seeing how cool it is?

Daley: I wanted to write and direct since I was really little. I put on plays in my basement growing up, and forced the neighborhood kids to be in them. Nobody quite got me, though. I felt very much an outsider. You guys might have just found a bunch of people that all had the same kind of aspirations and interests.  And it wasn’t until doing the show that I realized that it could happen someday, where I could branch out beyond just acting. I remember that film that you made, Life Sold Separately, — you made that on a nothing budget and it was ambitious.

And I realized, “Oh shit, I can do my own thing too.” It was very encouraging. And also being around Jake Kasdan, and [knowing] that he directed his first movie when he was 19 or 20 or something crazy like that [Ed. note: Kasdan was 22 when he directed his first movie, Zero Effect. Most recently he directed the 2014 comedy Sex Tape]. It was eye-opening for me to be able to see that this was a possibility.

Feig: The thing I always remember is when we were shooting the pilot, and Seth was coming up to me and Judd with what turned into Superbad. He was like, “Yeah, I wrote this thing about my friend and I tryin’ to get beer.” It just seemed like just a fun thing that a teenager would do.  But you’re so busy in production that you go, “Oh, that’s nice, he’s an actor and he’s young and he’s writing a script. That’s cool.” But I never realized, dumbly, that he had this hyper aspiration to do that. Did you guys ever talk about it back then or ever discuss that kind of thing?

Daley: We were in the same studio school for a little while before he graduated or got his G.E.D. or whatever he did. So we were under the tutelage of the same studio teacher who let us go off and write our own things. And he was like, “What are you working on?” And I said, “Oh, it’s a horror thriller about a woman that slowly metamorphosizes into a frog. It’s to be taken very seriously.” And then I asked him what he was working on, and he was like, “Oh, it’s about a couple friends who want to go buy beer.” And I thought to myself, “That’s not very ambitious.”

Feig: No, I have to admit, I had the same kind of weird little prejudice when he told me about it. I was like, “Well, that sounds like just a doofy thing that a guy would do.”

Daley: I truly thought that frog movie would have made it before Superbad.

Feig: Well, now you’ve got the power, my friend. Get that thing into production.

Daley: Let it destroy my career.

Feig: So now how are you enjoying big-time movie making?

Daley: It’s amazing. It’s so unbelievably cool. The first couple days on set, directing, was overwhelming and intimidating, but having done it for so long as an actor definitely helps. And it also just made me realize that it’s not, this is going to hurt me saying this, but it’s not as hard as it looks like it could be.  It’s obviously very hard, and I know nothing still about all of it. But you realize that you have so much support if you have a good crew. There are so many people that have been doing one specific facet of it for 20 years. They bring their expertise to the table, so you really don’t have the think about absolutely every single thing as much as if you were shooting an independent film and you were in charge of 10 different departments.

Feig: Even though I went to film school I put off going into directing because I was still of the mind of “I have to know everything. I have to know how to light a scene. I have to know all this technical stuff.” And it was like, “No, you don’t.” You can know as much or as little as you have to. Your main job is to get great performances and tell the story correctly and capture it correctly. Then it’s just basically yours to complicate or simplify as much as you want. And it’s funny, as we know with comedy, the main thing we want to get is make sure that we’re getting stuff funny, we’re getting options and we’re getting the emotional arcs of the characters and the reality. You want to make it look as good as you can, but at the same time we’re not making Interstellar. So it’s fun. The best thing is to bring a lot to it, really listen to the people around you and be malleable and listen to the actors and to whoever has an idea. It’s all valid. Then it’s just up to us to be the ringmaster in the middle of it all.

Daley: It’s so much fun. And having written it too, with Jonathan [M. Goldstein], I know the script and the story inside and out. It makes it so much easier to have a sense of how you generally want it to play. And then, of course, you’re so surprised on the day when you’re working with actors who bring all this new stuff to the table. You realize, “This is better than what I had even imagined.”

Feig: I’m sure you’re like me where we’re not so religious about the words that we’re cutting off the creativity of other people. Which I’ve seen is a mistake I see a lot of writer-directors do. You know, “Say it exactly like this.” It’s like, why do you hire funny, talented people to just make them say exactly what you wrote?”

Daley: Totally. And now I’m in the editing process, which can take forever if you want it to. We’re three weeks in, and it’s so much work.

Feig: Here’s my advice to you, my friend, as a grizzled veteran. Get your first cut together as quickly as you can, and then test screen often and brutally. Don’t take 10 weeks to get your cut. Because what happens is you’ll fall in love with everything in the movie. And by the time you get it in front of an audience you’re just, like, “Ugh, I love that, and they’re stupid, they don’t get it.”

Daley: You’re totally right. Then you’re working with a two and a half hour comedy, which doesn’t work. So that’s the plan.

Feig: Well done, sir, well done. I always felt, and still feel, one of my best strengths as a director is having been an actor for a long time. Nobody knows actors and their insecurities and strengths and everything more than somebody who’s done it before. Do you find that that really helps you?

Daley: It definitely helps. And having worked with awesome directors and not so awesome directors, I remember the things that would make introverted or affect my performance in a bad way, where I become really self-conscious. And I’ve tried to be hyper-aware of not saying those things.

Feig: It’s all about just creating a safe environment, especially when you’re trying to do comedy and some director gets you to say something, it just cuts you to the quick. And you’re like, “Well, I’m not going to try anything now because I don’t want to be made to feel stupid.”

Daley: Right. And for the most part I’ve been fortunate enough to have a cast that is so easygoing that there haven’t been too many eggshell walking situations.

Feig: It’s really thrilling to see you doing so well and Seth doin’ so well, and Franco and Jason. It’s crazy, just that everyone’s gone behind the camera and stayed in front of the camera. That’s the really fun part.


Daley: It’s unbelievable. It’s like it was prophesized by you guys back in the day. I can’t think of a single other show or movie or anything that found so many people that went on to such great success. It’s so cool. And did you know I put Samm [Levine] and Martin [Starr] in Vacation?

Feig: I had heard that, which made me very happy.

Daley: It was fun to get the two of them together. It was like going back in time.

Feig: Trust me, I remember the three of you guys together, it was always very, very funny because you didn’t have to write it. It would just, turn on the cameras and there you go. It was really, really fun.

It’s such happy memories of that show. It’s crazy, we only did 18 episodes, but it felt like a long time. Not in a bad way, but it felt like we were together for so long because it was such an intense process. For Judd and I it was literally like we made 18 independent movies over the course of that time, and treated them all so personally, that it’s just nice that they have stood the test of time. And a day doesn’t go by that somebody doesn’t email me or tweet me that they just watched the show and fell in love with it.

Daley: I don’t think I realized at the time how much pressure you guys were under with the studio and network to change it to the standards that they were used to. It’s amazing that it even was made.

Feig: I marvel at it too. And our goal was always to keep all that stuff away from you guys. And it gives me such an amazing thrill to see you guys doing so well. And I love that we’re all putting out movies. People need more comedy. And I love that we all went into comedy. Even the fact that Franco is being hilarious now makes me so happy.

Daley: And you could see it in Freaks. From the very beginning he had that sensibility, that slightly tongue-in-cheek, earnest way about him that can be so hilarious. And he never seems to be trying to. He’s just naturally a funny, funny guy. And the fact that it stood the test of time and that Netflix brought this whole new generation to it. It’s great.

Feig: I’m very proud of you, my friend. I feel like your proud second father because I always naturally still think of you as that 13 year-old kid. And then I see this massive success and all the great work you’re doing. I try to subtract the part where I go, “Hey, I’m getting older.” But it’s exciting to know that you guys have found your niche and you’ve got so much time in your career to do so many things. I just look forward to seeing what you guys are coming out with for years and years to come.

Daley: Likewise.

Feig: Thanks. I’ll be watching in the retirement home. Keep up the amazing work.

Vacation (2015) set to open October 9, 2015

Filming has wrapped for the new “Vacation” movie starring Beverly D’Angelo, Chris Hemsworth, Chevy Chase, Skyler Gisondo, Leslie Mann, Christina Applegate, Charlie Day and Ed Helms


Written and Directed by John Francis Daley & Jonathan M. Goldstein

John Francis Daley Opens Up About Sweets’ Shocking Bones Exit: ‘I Feel Like I Lost a Part of Me’

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Bones pays its final respects to Dr. Lance Sweets in tonight’s episode (8/7c on Fox), and it seems likely that John Francis Daley will be among the millions of fans watching the character’s emotional farewell.

“I had a strong bond with Sweeets,” Daley tells TVLine one week after his alter ego’s onscreen death. “I really did feel like I was losing a part of me. I had so much compassion for him. He was such a good person… He had gone through so much, and to see him die in such a grim way was shocking.”

As TVLine reported, Daley’s burgeoning directing career — he’s currently helming a remake of National Lampoon’s Vacation — led The Powers That Be at Bones to kill off Sweets. What did he think of that decision? The actor-auteur tackles that question in the following Q&A. He also opens up about his less-than-ideal last day of shooting, shares his thoughts on Sweets’ final baby wish and offers a critique of his sorta-replacement, Aubrey.

VIDEO Exclusive: Bones Cast Bids Farewell to John Francis Daley (and Sweets!)

TVLINE | In a perfect world, would you have liked to have been able to jump back into Bones after you finished shooting Vacation?
One hundred percent. I knew it would be tough, because I was asking for four months off. And I was so happy that they were able to accommodate that. But, yeah, in a perfect world, I would’ve loved to have [completed the movie] and then segue back to the Bones family. I had spoken to Stephen Nathan about it all, and he said it would be more satisfying for the fans to conclude Sweets in a dramatic way rather then for it to be up in the air and have him come back midway through the season.

TVLINE | Were you able to accept that decision, to be OK with it?
I pretty much had to be. [Laughs] The directing job was not something that I could walk away from. It was such a huge opportunity. It feels like a good next step in my career and my life; I always dreamed of being a director. So to be able to do something like this on such a huge scale —it’s a huge studio movie — it’s definitely not something I could turn my back on. It was a sacrifice for sure. But I’m three weeks into filming and having the time of my life. I couldn’t imagine it working out any other way.

TVLINE | What has this past week been like in terms of the reaction from fans? Sweets’ death pretty much blew up Twitter. 
It was nice. People were saddened about the loss of Sweets, but understanding that I — as a person — wanted to fulfill a dream. It was actually surprising. I [expected] some people would be taking it out on my personally. And up to this point, no one has said anything [negative to me] in the Twitter-sphere. No one’s bashing me. It was also nice to know that there was such a loyal fan base of the show, and of Sweets in particular, who were devastated by the loss. It was bittersweet.

RELATED Bones EP Reveals Why Sweets Had to Die

TVLINE | I read that you broke down while filming your final scene, the one where Sweets’ body is brought into the Jeffersonian. What were you thinking about when you were overcome with emotion?
It was a funny day. If I were scheduling it, I would’ve scheduled it kind of differently. [Laughs] The very last thing we shot was me in the body bag being zipped up. I was covered in blood. No one really wanted to touch me because I was all messy. I couldn’t even give anyone a hug. We were shooting at midnight, so most of the primary crew were already gone for the day. The writers had all gone home. The producers were at Comic-Con, as were Emily [Deschanel] and David [Boreanaz]. So I walked out of a nearly empty stage and couldn’t say a proper goodbye to people. And as I was walking to my trailer I sort of realized, “Oh, s–t, this is weird.” And then the tears started coming. It was very cathartic.

TVLINE | Have you seen tonight’s episode with the wrap-up to the case and Sweets’ memorial?

TVLINE | Your body parts get a lot of play. We see your bones, your heart… 
[Laughs] Good lord. That is pretty gruesome.

TVLINE | We also learn that Sweets wanted to name his unborn son Seeley, after Booth. Thoughts?
It seems right. It seems like the natural thing that he would want to do.

VIDEO Exclusive Bones Preview: Sweets Sends Daisy a Message From Beyond the Grave

TVLINE | Are you at all bummed that Sweets and Daisy reunited during the time jump? It kind of cheated you and Carla Gallo out of some potentially fun material.
Absolutely. I love Carla. She hails from the Judd Apatow family. She was the lead of Undeclared, I was in Freaks and Geeks… We’ve known each other for such a long time in passing, and then Bones brought us together as really good friends. She is such a funny, quirky, awesome person and I am so happy for her and her baby. She’s been baby crazy for a little while now. [Laughs] So it’s nice to finally see her as a mom. She’s going to be one of the best moms. That will be tough to not be able to work with her on the show and hang out.

TVLINE | Thoughts on your quasi-successor Aubrey? You guys have the same basic physical build and hair color. There are several moments in tonight’s episode where I thought he was you.
[Laughs] I’m sure that was intentional. It probably made the transition a little more seamless. I think [John Boyd] is a really cool guy from the couple of scenes that we did together. A really nice dude.

The Talented Mr. Daley by Falene Nurse (

The Talented Mr Daley

By Falene Nurse 

Images by John Francis Daley

In a city filled with charlatans and rehabilitated former child stars, it’s rare to find anyone extraordinary—or quite frankly normal—to speak to. That’s why when I first describe this young actor’s accomplishments, you might imagine that although undeniably talented, he would be destined to have the social skills and personality traits of Patrick Bateman. At 26, he’s already secured a spot on one of the highest-rated procedural dramas in America, has the cool-kid’s cred of being a beloved Geek” from a cult TV show, and now is currently riding high as one half of Hollywood’s hottest comedic writing duos.

By rights he should have been a wild child turned shameless Lothario, whose exploits are documented by the paparazzi for daily tabloid fodder. Yet nothing could be farther from the truth. Instead John Francis Daley is cherubically handsome and refreshingly polite, confident yet friendly and far smarter than I ever was at his age. You do get the feeling that this just might be his second time around on earth. He could easily be harboring a very wise, old soul in there, one that can only be found through true reincarnation. That, or maybe his parents raised him well.

Either way chatting over the phone (*I know, I know, MIMPsters) is like talking to a friend from the old neighborhood. He’s charming and naturally giggly, but you don’t feel that the conversation is based on any type of performance designed to deliberately make you laugh. He automatically partakes in silly banter, whilst nonchalantly telling you about up coming projects. Though strangely, only when prompted. He might be the only humble, successful American male under 30, left in Los Angeles. I really wish I was exaggerating about that. When the topics of “Bones”, “The Incredible Burt Wonderstone,” Horrible Bosses 2” and “The Vacation” revamp comes up, he could easily be mistaken for a very well informed Cinefile. Almost utterly detached from his own integral role in each production. At times I completely forget that the person on the end of the line is currently starring on a particular show, or wrote the screenplay that we are discussing. It’s as if “John from #22”, is just letting me know what’s coming soon to the local Cineplex.


Should I refer to you as John or John-Francis?

John. John Francis would sound really pretentious. Far too regal.

(Perhaps, but unbeknown to him it would make me feel like I was in a Jane Austin novel. Which would be GLORIOUS).

Tell me something embarrassing and incredibly uncool about yourself?

I like to dance in front of the mirror way more then I ought to.

You dance alone in the mirror?

Yes, yes I do. By myself. I’ve done this ever since I was a kid.

To what?

Generally 80s hip hop, I do the robot.

Are you clothed at the time?

Well it really depends.

(Ah yes I can see he’s a good sport, we can have a little fun with this one).

You were on Vh1’s 100 greatest teen stars of all time, so I have to ask where are your club trysts, sex tapes and arrests? 

The sex tapes are hidden in my secret closet vault, that no one will ever see. No, I dunno, but somehow I’ve managed to avoid being a total dumb ass.

I know! I mean yes, yes, you have considering you were a teen star. You are very together now.

I owe that to my parents honestly. They never pushed me into the business, they just supported whatever it was that I wanted to do. I’ve worked with enough kid actors to know that generally they have nightmarish parents that tend to force them into things.

Really, that sounds horrid?


(Well, way to bring down the mood there John).

So let’s just say that you were one of the lucky ones because your parents weren’t insane, correct?

They were really cool.

You are from NY?

Yeah I grew up there, so I consider myself a New York native. Every time I go back I get a little upset that I don’t live there anymore. It’s the best.

Now don’t be weirded out by this, but what’s your ethnicity? You have very full lips for a white person. 

(God I love being English, I can pretty much say anything I want!!!)

(Laughing) Um my mom’s Jewish and my dad’s Irish. I am in fact the same mix as Harrison Ford, which I like to point out as often as possible when I go on dates.

So the pouty mouth thing, that’s a Jewish trait? (note to self).

I suppose, I guess it can be. Unless my mom you know…

Ah slept with the milkman (whispered)

You are only 26 years old, you started out on a cult show, now you are on one of the highest rated TV programs in the US. You wrote Horrible Bossesyou play multiple instruments, Jim Carrey and Steve Carell are in your next flick, you’ve written for Spielberg, you sold numerous scripts. Would it be fair to call you an overachiever?

It’s a combination, maybe I’m a a bit of an over achiever, but also I’m not able to sit still for very long. Coming from a family of entertainers, I’ve always been interested in entertaining others. My mom sings and plays the piano, my dad was an actor on  Broadway for 10 years, so I was fortunate enough to know exactly what I wanted to do and how to go about it. So I think that gave me a bit of a head start, at a very young age?

John is also incredibly modest, if Idol, ANTM and America’s Got Talent has taught us anythingwhich in itself is a stretchit’s that just because you wanted to do something from in vitro. Doesn’t mean you necessarily should. John Francis ( *I really want to call him this throughout!!!) is one of those fortunate few creatures, that happens to be very talented in a myriad of ways.

Did you study acting. 

No I never studied acting, I didn’t go to college either.

For some reason I thought you went to some ivy league school.

This is purely an assumption that I made about a person I have never met before. You know like comedians are funny 24/7, John Mayer isn’t really a whore and John Daley probably went to Harvard or some other Ivy League school. Or is that just me?

I wish I could drop the H-bomb. Jonathan (his writing partner) actually did go to Harvard Law and I’m amazed he doesn’t drop the H-bomb more.

I hate people like that, they have everything in life that I want. I want to be a writer with a law degree, that went to Harvard.

You could still tell people that, but you have to figure a way to segue into it. Even if it’s the clunkiest segue ever… “Mmmm this dinner is good, reminds me of the dinners I use to have at… Harvard Law.”

The Incredible Burt Wonderstone” very excited for this, how did that all come about?

It had been kicked around for a long time, finally we put it on the shelf a few years back. Then we started working on some other projects as you do, then New Line came back with an interest. So we started working on a few more drafts. Then it began to attract talent, that’s how we got our director Don Scardino and it’s his first feature. He’s directed “30 Rock” a lot, so we knew he had that comic sensibility. Then we got Steve Carell and it really snowballed from there.

You have a dream cast of comedians for this, are you thrilled!

I was so excited when they were building this cast, because I thought maybe we just got really lucky the first time with the Horrible Bosses. So it was very nice to know that it wasn’t just a first time fluke.

You are very calm for a 26yr old. 

Oh I’m a heroin addict that’s why.

I thought you might be.

(Good job his humor divvy’s up between both silly and macabre, otherwise this whole conversation could have gone down the shitter a while back).

On your Twitter account, do you Tweet or is someone else coming up with the 139 witty characters?

No it’s me.

Cause I know how these actors are. 

Oh no, no, I do tweet.

Do you now have, or have you ever had, an assistant?

No, but this year might be the year that we get one.

What if they are older than you, would that be weird?

I refuse, I would feel too weird about the whole thing.So we are actually going to hire a 12 year old assistant…

As you do still look like your 15…

Hopefully that might, you know, even it out.

“Rapturepalooza” is described “as 2 teens battling their way through a religious apocalypse on a mission to defeat the Antichrist.” This is a comedy, yes?

Yes, it’s a very silly premise that got a lot of comedic actors on board, we shot it last summer in Vancouver. Post-production took a while because there was a studio merger happening, so hopefully it will be coming out soon. It was so much fun to work on, but I still haven’t seen it yet. Anna Kendrick and I play the couple.

So you are one of the teens!! (cackling like a banshee)

See I wasn’t kidding when I said he looks young. He might be pushing 30, but has the smooth skin of a prepubescent teen. How envious the dog-eared Hollywood set must be of Mr. Daley.

I am indeed. We are the straight men in all this insanity.

And will you save us from the antichrist?

I’ll try.

The last 3 books you read, graphic novels included?

Freedom by Franzen, A Man In Full by Tom Wolfe and before that Playboy (giggling). 

I’ve been very fortunate that all the men I interview for MIMP tend to be natural gigglers.

Nice!! For the articles, yes?

That counts as a graphic novel, right.

In it’s own way, it really does. Yes.

Favorite books of all time?

When I was young, I was a huge Sci-Fi fan so Brave New World is up there. I really like What Makes Sammy Run by Schulberg it’s a pretty “spot on” take of the industry, even though it was written so long ago. Literally if you add zeros to the dollar amounts, it could be have been written today.

Have u read the book “Writing Movies For Fun And Profit” by Thomas Lennon/Robert Ben Garant and is Hollywood really like that?

I tweeted about that! Thomas was in Rapturepalooza so I learned about it through him. I haven’t read the entire book although I’ve read excerpts, but I think it’s great he offered that information to people. Often “How To” books can be very daunting for beginners and not have any of the real facts involved. Some authors create these glorified versions of what happens, whereas he’s pretty straight forward about what to expect. It’s very truthful and some of the things that seem the most preposterous elements of this industry, are sometimes the truest. Also I appreciate the fact that all the proceeds went to charity.

So you have contributed to charity for the year.

Although that book did make we wonder how anybody can get anything worthwhile done out here. 

They do not. Often.

Freaks & Geeks what was in the water?

It’s definitely a testament to the casting and the vision that Paul Feig and Judd Apatow had when they first started. They took risks, which I really appreciated. I had been auditioning for years not getting anything, cause I was this awkward, geeky, tiny, tiny little kid, with giant eyes. I was constantly losing roles to the Aryan, Norman Rockwell looking kids.

So it was great that Paul and Judd were willing to go beyond the obvious, to what people looked and acted like, in real life.

Unfortunately it was also probably why the show failed with the ratings. I think it was “so different” at that time nobody knew how to take it, it was in a way too true and obviously the Networks didn’t know what to do with it either. 

It’s funny to me that by an American’s perspective, that cast was seen as “average looking and freaky.” Just to let you know, in England those kids were considered VERY attractive. 

(He might be laughing, but he knows it’s true. Ever seen EastEnders or Grange Hill)?

Even in “Bones” everyone looks like a model.

Now that’s a good looking cast. (With that weird detachment again, as if he’s not included as part of the cast).

If you had to choose a person on the set of “Bones” that you might quite fancy in real life, who would it be? Or are you a bit uncomfortable objectifying any of them like that?

Only in case they read it and then I have to work with them.

So which one?

ALL of them, they are ALL great (coyly).

You are in a band called Dayplayer, what do you do?

I write a lot of songs, sing and play keyboards.

I noticed that Dr. Nigel Murray (Ryan Cartwright) was in your music video “To Me”, was that a little cameo for “Bones” fans or are you guys just friends? 

I asked him of he would be cool with chasing someone around for the day and he jumped at the opportunity. He was totally game. We’re buddies, he’s out in Canada shooting Season 2 of “Alpha’s right now. So I still see him around, all over the place on billboards.

Tell me 3 of your favorite music videos of all time?


You sound so serious, there’s no wrong answer here. 

Well I know them, but remembering them on the spot is hard. There’s Star Guitar by The Chemical Brothers directed by Michel Gondry, it’s just really, really cool. The Justice’s DVNO is awesome, directed by So-Me, Yorgo Tloupus and Machine Molle. There’s one with Bjork, I think Michel Gondry did that too.

Was she dressed up like a costumed bear?

Uhm… (incredibly long pause) …no (giggling again).

Is Dr Sweets possibly the best character name you have ever had?

It’s the most emasculating one. No.No, no, it’s a great name. Purely formed out of Hart Hanson thinking it would be funny for Booth to refer to someone called Sweets—a lot. Just the joy of having David Boreanaz say it.

This is a bit weird, have you ever read a fan tweet or comment and thought good Lord that was explicit. That ever seem a little odd?

Yes, yes. There were a couple, yes.

Like REALLY graphic, detailed explanations.

I’ve read a couple recently like that, but what’s really, really weird, is reading the message board from way back when, in Freaks & Geeks. Reading what some fans wanted to do to me then, when I was a 13 year old KID!

Ew, ew, but you were a fresh faced teen with pink cheeks.

Kidding. That’s terrifying really.

It’s a little terrifying as they were all probably comingfrom a prison computers.

(Have I perhaps taken this  too far? Well apparently not, as I don’t think John is actually joking anymore. Or is he?)

I got A LOT of fan mail from prisoners.No, yeah, yeah when I was younger I had a lot of fan mail from prisoners, then I reached adulthood and the prison letters  stopped.

You are lying.

I guess I got too old.

That’s not true, Eeeewww. 

(I’m still not sure if any of this really happened, but I do feel like taking a Silkwood-strength shower in Domestos).

3 Fave bands/musicians of all time?

Radiohead, Wilko and Stevie Wonder.

Favorite Beatle?

Some people say George or Ringo just to be interesting – but I’m gonna say John. ‘Cause it’s true.

The Beatles or The Stones?


The last film that made you laugh out loud?

“Ted” was really funny. The last one that made me die laughing was “MacGruber” I thought it was hilarious and under rated. The sketch was just the one joke, but the film had a lot more going on. Yet, it didn’t do well, maybe because people thought it would be too stupid (and it was), but hilariously so.

Stupid can be very funny.

Stupid can be smart too.

Had you ever seen MIMP before I asked you to do this interview?

I had not, no, until I was told about it. I do like the pictures, very sexy.Yes, I am very glad I know about it now.

I wouldn’t dream of asking you to choose a fave MIMP gal, instead does a particular MIMP shoot stand out to you?

Yes one did, it may have been one of the famous shoots… or was she, I can’t remember for sure. Either way, I should probably not say which girl.

Living in LA inundated by models, actresses and free loving hipsters, about three to every one man is ;-

a) bit of a nightmare

b) a fantasy beyond your wildest teenaged dreams

c) more trouble than you would think

d) all of the above

Definitely a mixture, because as crazy as people think (and say) actresses are, actors can be just as crazy. I think it’s just people in this industry, it takes a certain type of person to put your face out there on display. You can call it crazy, egotistical or vain even, it’s definitely “something.”  That attracts people to want to entertain others, your desire to be watched supersedes any qualms you may have. I was constantly getting in trouble at school as a kid for disrupting the class. Or lacking self control, just because I wanted to make other people laugh. The greatest joy I get is from entertaining other people or making someone laugh. Which is kinda crazy to some.

That’s kind of a nice thought, when it comes down to it. 

Photographers you thoroughly admire?

I don’t really follow anyone to that degree, aaagghhh I’m gonna sound like an idiot huh?

No, no, I haven’t asked anyone so much about books as I have you. And luckily for me you turned out to be incredibly well read, so it all works out. 

I like looking at photographs (laughing).

In Playboy no less, from what you say. 

Reality stars, “good fun” or “when will they go away?”

I don’t like reality TV, there’s nothing enjoyable in it for me. Not so much the game shows or contests, my parents love “So You Think You Can Dance” and they are very talented people on there. I’m not really into it although it’s a ritual when I visit home to watch it, but there’s nothing wrong with it, encouraging people to showcase their talents in a competition. It’s the shows that glorify debauchery and bad behavior I don’t get it. Or why they are so popular. What’s funny is that I grew up in a NY suburb, where there were a lot of people just like “The Jersey Shore”. So I don’t understand the draw, I grew up with them.

And they were AWFUL. Weren’t they?

3 favorite TV shows?

The British version of “The Office”, my manager represents a lot of English people so I got really lucky and got to see it before it came to BBC America. I saw the very first 2 seasons and I LOVED IT.

Have you seen the “Mighty Boosh”?

I have, I’m not as into them but my ex-girlfriend was a huge fan

(DOH!, well done Tactless Falene).We went to a DVD signing for them at Amoeba.I stood in line for 2 hours for that. That was a couple of years back.

Wow, you were a good boyfriend.

Yes, yes I was (proudly, yet again the giggles). I also like “The Wire” and “Louie”.

Have you met your idol yet?

I actually have. We had a meeting with Dreamworks as a writing team. It was meant to be a general meeting with one of the studios CEOs there Stacey Snider and she mentioned an idea that “Steven” had. And I thought to myself, she doesn’t mean Steven Spielberg does she? Then all of a sudden, without any warning, he walked in and started talking about this idea he had and we wound up writing an outline for it. Then we ended up getting the job (“Cal of The Wild”) because of that, that was one of the most incredible moments in my life. Unexpectedly getting pitched by (and then working with) Steven Spielberg, who I wanted to BE when I was a kid. I wanted his life. (No wonder he’s so successful. I wanted to be ET).

What’s funny is that was the second time I had met him, but he probably had no idea. See Dreamworks produced “Freaks and Geeks”, so I met him at a taping when I was 14 and when he came up to speak to me then – my jaw literally dropped to the floor at that point.

What did he say!

My son wants to be you (meaning Sam Weir) and I said “I wanna be your SON!!!”

Adopt me now, do it, do it! That’s kind of metaphysical in a way. 

It’s crazy cut to 10 years later, there’s no way he remembered this incident. And I didn’t want to try and bring it up to see.

I dunno, your face kinda hasn’t changed. 

(there’s the banshee cackle again, God I’m common as muck).

But you know what, God bless him for being good humored enough to allow me that one last “baby-face” dig. Bless him for being good humored.

I’ve always wondered is there any form of etiquette when actors meet other actors for the first time, a secret hand shake, an understanding that you all abide by?

Yes I guess there should be some etiquette, when any 2 people meet for the first time, just general politeness.

(was that sarcasm I detected ah touche, touche my dear). But that isn’t always the case. It depends who you are talking to sometimes.

Was there ever a point in your career when you thought, forget it this is too hard, I’m going to do something more stable.

Yes, I thought that when I was 13 years old (laughing). No this is true. Right beforeI got “Freaks and Geeks”. I had been auditioning for all these different shows, losing all these roles to the more traditional type kids. And at a certain point I thought screw this, I got go to all these auditions I don’t ever get and then do homework too! I gotta focus on my school work(like school was my real job). I was only in 8th grade at the time. Then the Freaks audition came along and I thought, this is definitely different to all the other shit I’d been trying for. So I decided, if I don’t get this one – I’m taking a break.

At 13!

At 13.

I can’t really imagine coming to that conclusion at 13. 

It’s funny but I think a lot of the people that say, “never give up” have probably at some point done just that. Then happened to come back to it again, and you realize that it takes a persistence beyond your own comfort zone for things to happen.

Any other upcoming projects on the horizon?

Burt Wonderstone should be coming out some time next year, the “Vacation “reboot/sequel to the Chevy Chase franchise. We wrote the script and so we are gonna direct it too.

You are going to direct too?

Yeah, I know (he sounds so calm, or as if he’s telling you about someone else’s accomplishments, there’s no hint of arrogance or boastfulness. If anything there’s almost a detached air of disbelief).

You sound REALLY excited there John, try and contain yourself. 

No I AM, but it doesn’t feel real yet. It’s still so surreal I think when we get to the pre production stage, it will hit me a lot harder.

I grew up watching those films man.

Me too, me too! And Clark Griswold WAS basically my dad, they even look alike! It’s been crazy to be able to be a part of that.

Congratulations to you Sir.

Thank You, thank you.

More writing?

Oh yeah “Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2”, that’s what I’ve been working on all today actually. “Horrible Bosses 2” and “Secret Histories”.

God you must have NO life.

(charm and subtly evidently are not my forte).

It’s all work pretty much. I like that though, I should do it now at this age while I still have the energy to keep up.

Oh and my band has a new video coming out we directed. It’s a really funny video, I can’t wait for people to see it.

Will there ever be a “Freaks and Geeks” reunion movie?

I don’t think so, sorry. I think enough time has passed that it would just be a really weird story to tell at this point. I hate breaking the hearts of a lot of fans of that show, that are still so loyal but I think Judd had said a similar thing. I don’t see it in the cards.

I might be no Spielberg but draw up the adoption papers, I’m keeping John Francis Daley! However if I’m completely honest, I’m probably thinking about it in much more of a Woody Allen kind of way. 


The Daley Show by Emma Brown (Interview Magazine-August 2012)

Photographs:  Mitchell Nguyen McCormack


If you were involved in the 1999 show Freaks and Geeks, chances are that you’re doing pretty well these days. CreatorPaul Feig and writer-director Judd Apatow are now household names, as are actors Seth Rogen, Jason Segel and, of course, James Franco. Busy Philipps is busy on the showCougar TownLinda Cardellini just finished ER and is making indie films, and Martin Starr seems to pop up everywhere, from last week’s episode of New Girl to Apatow films. John Francis Daley, who played the 14-year-old, 90-pound Sam Weir, is no exception. Daley’s grown a lot sinceFreaks—both physically (he’s really tall) and career-wise. Not only is Daley a regular cast member of the surprisingly popular TV show Bones, he is also writing movies with casts that include Kevin Spacey, Steve Carell, Jennifer Aniston and Steve Buscemi. Not too shabby for a former shrimp.  

 caught Daley in between filming Bones and a meeting for his directorial debut, a remake of the 1983 John Hughes/Chevy Chase film Vacation, to discuss Ace Ventura, writing scripts in crayon, and his myriad projects.EMMA BROWN: Hi John, it’s Emma.


BROWN: I hear you have a writer’s meeting right after this, what’s that for?

DALEY: It is for Vacation, it’s the first meeting. We’re directing it as well, but they want to do some tweaking to the script, to get it to casting and all that. I’m extremely excited.

BROWN: Have you ever directed anything before?

DALEY: This is the first chance for [my writing partner Jonathan] Goldstein and I, this is our first feature. But we’ve done a few shorts together over the years.

BROWN: Are you nervous?

DALEY: Not yet, it’s pretty far from the start date to be nervous, but I’m more excited than anything else. This is something that I’ve wanted to do since I was little; literally since I was seven years old, I’ve been directing things and ordering friends around to be cast members in stupid little short plays and movies.

BROWN: What was the first thing you directed?

DALEY: It was a play, when I was eight years old called Small Evil. I actually think that I wrote the script in crayon. [laughs]

BROWN: Well, you wrote an original script—that’s pretty impressive! When I was eight I was directing my friends in play adaptations of Hocus Pocus and Star Wars, so no originality there.

DALEY: Yeah, but the script was in crayon, so that gives you an idea of the quality there. Though I wouldn’t put it past Quentin Tarantino write something in crayon. [My play] was about a dwarf who lured women back to his place where he would kill them. It’s pretty dark for an eight-year-old, but I thought it was clever the way it was titled Small Evil and was about a dwarf.

BROWN: Good play on words there.

DALEY: The only reason it was a dwarf was so that I could be the lead. It was a very serious thing—the notion of a kid portraying [an adult] character would break the fourth wall, so I had to make him a dwarf to make it understandable that he was a small adult.

BROWN: I was wondering, you’ve obviously grown so much since Freaks and Geeks, do people always say that to you, “Oh my goodness, you’re so tall now”?

DALEY: All the time, they have to be standing on stairs a few steps above me to recognize me. I’ve grown probably about eight inches since Freaks.

BROWN: When did you have your growth spurt?

DALEY: You can actually see it on-screen. [It was] betweenThe Geena Davis Show [2001] and another pilot that no one ever saw . . . so I guess you can’t really see it on-screen. [laughs] It was between the ages of 15 and 16.

BROWN: So how did you get the Vacation directing gig? Did you petition for it, show them your shorts?

DALEY: Well Jonathan and I, after we wrote the script, we decided to try our hand at directing. Even just pitching ourselves to direct, it was a long shot, because they were meeting with established directors that had done features before. But I think we gave them a pretty good pitch on why we have the best vision for the movie and a great lookbook to accompany it. We’ve been with New Line for so long—our first script was The $40,000 Man in 2007, and since then I’ve done probably five features with them, not all produced—that relationship, I think, also helped us. We’re part of the New Line family.

BROWN: Is it frustrating when your scripts don’t actually get produced?

DALEY: No, not really. The first one still hasn’t been produced, The $40,000 Man. I’m just so excited to be a part of the professional screenwriting world. It gained a lot of momentum in the first couple months after we sold it, where we had a director attached at one point, and an actor. So we were just really excited at how quickly everything changed. We got a bunch of meetings following our selling of that script. And it was on The Black List, so it was an honor to be a part of that as well.

BROWN: I’m curious as to how you met your writing partner and how you started working together.

DALEY: We worked together on a show called The Geena Davis Show, which I mentioned before, he was one of the junior staff writers there, and I was an actor. I remember at one point I was playing some short film I had made, some stupid short film, and he mentioned that it was very much like something he had made when he was my age. He brought the film in the next day to show me how similar it was. Since then we realized we had the same sensibility, the same sense of humor, and started to write things together a couple years later and direct small shorts. We were able to collaborate easily together.

BROWN: And every script you’ve done has been with your writing partner?

DALEY: Yeah. He still works independently writing on TV shows, and I still have my acting jobs. Everything in the feature screenwriting world, and now directing, we do together.

BROWN: Jonathan’s quite a bit older than you. Does the age gap show, or do you feel the same age?

DALEY: We only feel different ages when bringing up pop culture references. Otherwise we pretty much feel the same age. He’s married with a kid, and so he’s further along in his personal life. As far as our sense of humor and the thing that we’re attracted to, the types of movies and comedy, we share the same mind.

BROWN: I wanted to ask you about upcoming projects as well. So you’ve finished writing Horrible Bosses 2 and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2, is that it?

DALEY: Yeah, we wrote a couple of drafts of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, which brings us back to do a bit more work on that. We’re nearly finished writing the first draft ofHorrible Bosses 2. It’s going well, we will bring back the three guys with hopefully a new supporting character to work with them.

BROWN: You had so many great actors in the first Horrible Bosses.

DALEY: Thanks. It was one of those things where, if someone asked [who was in the film], I would feel kind of like a dick [listing them]. There were so many big names. That kind of is the same thing for Burt Wonderstone, this magician movie that we wrote together. It’s going to be finished probably when you publish this. It has an insane cast and so by the end [of listing them], when I’m mentioning Jim Carrey or Alan Arkin, people go from being excited for me to resentful.

BROWN: Did you love Ace Ventura when you were little?

DALEY: I wanted to be Jim Carrey when I was little. He doesn’t know this, but I do the best Jim Carrey impression, and I don’t think he ever will know this unless he readsInterview.

BROWN: I’ll send it to him.

DALEY: Perfect.


BROWN: When all these really exciting actors, like Kevin Spacey, sign up to do your movie, were you surprised? Or just really happy?

DALEY: I was happy and I was also surprised. You know, as a screenwriter and a half-Jew, I tend to look at the glass half-empty.

BROWN: Do you hang out on set and get to know the actors? I know you were in Horrible Bosses, but are you inWonderstone?

DALEY: I have a small cameo in Burt Wonderstone as well. But, I was able to hang out with the cast of both movies. It was one of those things where halfway through hanging out with people like Jim Carrey, I would think to myself “Oh! I’m talking to Jim Carrey right now!” and if nine-year-old me could see me doing this, he would literally crap himself.

BROWN: Freaks and Geeks is the first thing that comes to mind when I think of you, but I suppose more people most know you from your current show, Bones.

DALEY: It depends. If I’m in L.A., I get recognized more forFreaks and Geeks. Same with New York. It’s definitely a coastal show. When I’m anywhere else—Chicago, Colorado, it’s Bones. Or if I’m in Vegas, it’s Bones, because a lot of people that go to Vegas come from the Midwest and I think that Bones is definitely a show that attracts viewers from that part of the country more than it does on the coast.

BROWN: Were you originally a guest actor on Bones?

DALEY: Yeah, they offered me a seven-episode stint on the show. And the second episode in, my manager told me that he guessed I would probably get a regular role on it. And sure enough, I think after we shot the third episode, the offer came in.

BROWN: Do you find yourself getting really into the character and psychoanalyzing your friends in everyday life?

DALEY: I’ve always been the type of person that has told friends, if they’re going through a rough time, I’m always there to talk to. When I’m going through a rough time, [talking to friends] is what keeps me sane.

BROWN: Do people take you more seriously now that you play a psychologist—confuse fiction and reality?

DALEY: Not at all. Even if I played the President, they wouldn’t take me any more seriously.

BROWN: Freaks and Geeks was such a great show to start your career in. Did television feel like a bit of a let down after that?

DALEY: It’s tough to find a show that matches the quality ofFreaks. Even if I wasn’t in the cast, I would say that it was one of the best shows on television and one of the finest ensemble casts. The thing that I love about doing Bones, though, is it’s the first successful show in the sense that a lot of people watch it and continue to watch it. It’s the first show I’ve ever done that’s lasted longer than a season. [The creator, Hart Hanson] really found a niche and is able to speak to a big audience.

BROWN: And you wrote an episode of it, right?

DALEY: Yeah, I co-wrote it with my writing partner. It was the first television script I had ever written. The fact that there’s six acts that you have to fill is really overwhelming. I’m impressed at how they’re able to pump out episodes every week that deal with a completely different way of getting murdered.



‘Horrible Bosses 2’ in the Works With Original Creative Team (Exclusive)

The Hollywood Reporter

12:11 PM PST 1/4/2012 by Borys Kit
New Line Productions

Screenwriters John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein have closed a deal to pen a sequel. Stars Jason Bateman, Charlie Day and Jason Sudeikis are expected to return.

Get ready for Horrible Bosses 2.

John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein, the screenwriters behind New Line’s surprise workplace comedy hitHorrible Bosses, have closed a deal to pen a sequel.

It is expected that Jason Bateman, Charlie Day and Jason Sudeikis will be back to star in the movie, and the studio is in early talks with helmer Seth Gordon to return to the director’s chair.

PHOTOS: ‘Horrible Bosses’ Premiere Red Carpet

Bosses, released July 8, saw Bateman, Day and Sudeikis as harried workers who, in Strangers on a Train meets Nine to Five fashion, try to off each others’ bosses. Jennifer Aniston, Colin Farrelland Kevin Spacey starred as the employers while Jamie Foxxcameoed as a would-be murder adviser.

The movie, made for about $35 million, proved to be a surprise hit, grossing $117 million domestically and $209 million worldwide.

Daley is an actor-turned-writer who appeared in shows such as Freaks & Geeks, Kitchen Confidentialand Bones. Goldstein worked on such TV comedies as The New Adventures of Old Christine and $#*! My Dad Says as a writer-supervising producer.

Bosses was their first teaming and was fruitful; the duo also worked on Burt Wonderstone, New Line’s upcoming comedy starring Steve Carell and Jim Carrey, which will shoot early this year, and a sequel to Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs for Sony Animation.

Daley and Goldstein are repped by UTA.


Twitter: @Borys_Kit



John Francis Daley on co-writing tonight’s episode of ‘Bones’ and sharing a scene with his dad for the first time. (Awww.)

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Image Credit: Adam Taylor/FOX

You probably didn’t need another reason to watch Bonestonight, but here’s one anyway: The hour, which took Bones and Booth into the world of myths, was penned by none other thanBones cast member John Francis Daley.

In a chat with EW, Daly, whose name also earns a writing credit on Horrible Bosses, out July 8, breaks down his first experience writing an episode of Bones, the “nerve-wracking” scene he shared with his father (who guest stars in the ep), and the season finale of Bones. (Preview: “…they are not renewing my contract.” By the way, I’m totally throwing you off with that snippet.)

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Tell me how this episode fell into your lap?
JOHN FRANCIS DALEY: [Showrunner] Hart [Hanson] asked if I was interested in writing an episode, and I said, “Of course.” And so when we went to meet with them, Jonathan Goldstein, my writing partner, and I came up with about eight different ideas for worlds to set the episode in. And when we got there, seven of them they had already done, or [they] were doing. That’s the problem with doing an episode of the sixth season of a show — it’s difficult to find something that hasn’t been done on it already. But fortunately, the myth-busting episode was not one that they had done yet, and they were interested. So we were able to use an idea of our own.

How did you come up with this idea?

It’s funny; we had an idea for an animated movie awhile back that would star mythological creatures, like the Loch Ness Monster and the Yeti and all that. And we didn’t really pursue it for a long time and found out after the fact that [someone] was doing exactly that, an animated movie with those creatures — we missed it. So we still thought that the world of mythological creatures is fun and hasn’t really been tapped into a lot. And I figured out a way to incorporate it into a crime-solving show.

So the episode is about busting myths, but not like Mythbusters, right?
Oh, yeah, and that’s something that might be misconstrued. It’s more things like finding Jesus’s face on a piece of toast — figuring out how that could happen. Or a crying religious statue, or a Yeti, or Bigfoot. It’s a different look on what myth-busting is. [But] I watched the show that you’re talking about for many seasons.

What was it like having to write Sweets, who you’ve — in a way — gotten to know all these years by playing him? Was that weird? Did Jonathan help you with that?
We pretty much did half and half on Sweets’s voice. Obviously, I had been doing the show long enough that I pretty much have my finger on the Sweets’s pulse, but Jonathan has seen many episodes and my scenes in them, so he sort of has an idea of Sweets’s voice as well. But, obviously, that was the easiest voice to write in.

Who was the hardest?
The hardest would have had to be either Angela or Cam, Michaela Conlin’s character or Tamara Taylor’s.

Really? I was expecting you to say Brennan.
Honestly, I don’t know. I think Brennan was actually more easy to write for because we figured out how she says things in the most difficult to understand way. So you kind of keep that in mind when you write for her and you’re generally on point.

You told me previously that you hadn’t wanted to make the episode Sweet-heavy because that felt weird to you. Yet, because Emily and David were filming the spin-off, you had to include yourself a lot more. How is the Brennan-Booth absence dealt with story-wise?
In the original draft, they were going to be in a lot of the interrogation room scenes. And, fortunately, they had started to put Sweets into a lot more of those scenes in the place of Booth, anyway. So it wasn’t that difficult of an adjustment to take them out of those scenes and put Sweets in it. But that is how it became so Sweets-heavy, because all the interrogation room scenes that were supposed to have Booth and Brennan in them now have Sweets.

How is it explained that they’re not there?
It’s never really explained. [Laughs] We have enough scenes with Booth and Brennan riffing on each other and being the ones to solve the crime, for the most part. I don’t think that the fan universe is going to be too upset — at least I hope. I haven’t got any death threats yet.

Don’t worry, I’ve never heard anyone say they don’t like Sweets.
But in moderation. It’s like with any good alcohol: You have too much, and you’ll be sick.

Yeah. Shoot for a happy drunkenness.
I give people a good buzz.

In the episode, is Sweets excited about taking on the interrogation role?
Absolutely. And the best part was, when we were writing it, there was a role in the show that I thought would be great for my dad. There had been talk of bringing him on for an episode for awhile now, and this was fortunately the episode where we got to bring him in. He plays someone I’m interrogating in one of the scenes, which is great. I learned a lot of my technique from him, so it’s a funny bit of trivia there. I look nothing like him. No one will know that he’s my dad until they look at the credits and see “R. F. Daley.” Otherwise, we do not look at all alike. But I do look like the mailman in our hometown, so I don’t understand why that is.

[Laughs] How was filming that scene?

It was kind of nerve-wracking. It was actually one of the most nervous moments I’ve ever had on the show, because I knew that he was probably nervous as well. So I had nerves of my own and sympathy nerves. So it was just double the nerves. But we were able to get through it, and it ended up being a really good scene.

Sympathy nerves? That’s cute.
I have sympathy nerves for everyone. I think it’s the half-Jew in me.

It’s better than Catholic guilt. I have that.
I do as well! Double the shame.

Are there any great Sweets and Daisy moments?
Unfortunately not. In this episode, they wanted to alternate through the interns. So we got Vincent Nigel-Murray, played by Ryan Cartwright, who I think is hilarious. So he’s the intern they’re enlisting to help them with the case in this one. And because it is a pretty comedic episode, I think that he’s great for it. He’s got very good comic timing. That said, obviously, Carla as Daisy is also fantastic and would have been great on the episode as well. But I’m hearing that she’s going to be coming up soon in another episode, so it’s always nice to bond with her.

So in this episode, are we going to learn anything surprising about Sweets?
In this one, it’s pretty much straightforward Sweets. We don’t really explore any of his dark past in this. It would have been interesting, though, if something happened to him with a Yeti back in the day, and he’s still going through the traumatic consequences of that. [Laughs] But no, he’s actually pretty happy in this one. I think there has been talk of exploring more of his childhood in some upcoming episodes, so it’s always nice to change it up a bit and be able to do some dramatic moments as well.

Last time I spoke with Stephen Nathan, he teased a tragedy at the end of the season. Please tell me Sweets is not involved.
I just know that they are not renewing my contract, so I don’t know what that means — I’m kidding. I don’t know. I have no idea. I feel like the cast is usually the last to know if something horrible is going to happen. But my answer is I have no idea.

(Hillary Busis contributed to this report.)